WINDOW PAINTING DIARYS
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| Window Painting Story Posted on Friday, January 09, 2004 @ 8:16:00 PM | After 25 years of painting windows, I have a million stories. What a fun and facinating life this has been! I haven't made a million, but I've done what God gave me to do, and I love my career and my life!
One spring morning I am up on a ladder painting a window for the 'House of Neighborly Services', a place where the needy can get food, clothing or help for and emergency or rent. I was intently working away when, BAM, something hit my ladder and I thought I was going to fall off! I looked down and there whas an odd looking man, I noticed he was an albino and the poor man was blind. He said 'I'm sorry, I never hit anything on this sidewalk before'. I said 'that's OK' have a great day. He walked off with his white cane. I wondered why his white cane didn't warn him of me. So I go back to work and about a half an hour later I'm still on the ladder when, BAM, I almost fall off again. He said 'You again, who are you and what are you doing? Washing windows?' I told him I was painting the window, he asked what I was painting, so I told him, he was so interested in what it said, and especially the colors. I had to give him an example of what every color was. He had been blind since he was 3, so I descibed every color as a child would see it...light pink, was bubble gum, the green that I was using was the same as a freshly mowed lawn, etc etc. He was so happy and said he hoped he would 'run into' me again. What a fun man!
I have never had to describe colors in that way to anyone. There were some he couldn't remember such as purple. I told him it was like an iris, but he didn't remember what an iris looked like, only that it smelled good, boy, was I wishing that Barney were there when he was young!!!!
Have an exceptionally happy painting day!
cindy art2ya.com
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| Window Painting Story Posted on Monday, November 14, 2005 @ 4:53:53 AM | hi Im from Ireland, was just wondering what kind of paints you use for your windows, we dont have much choice over here I usually end up using the crappy tempera paints that crayola produce, was just wondering if you would know if daler-rowney acrylics would be suitable to use for commercial paintings?
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| Re: Window Painting Story Posted on Monday, November 28, 2005 @ 2:08:26 PM | Greetings,
Conventional wisdom has it that windows are painted with tempera, but I have found a good, economical, more weather-resistant (well, I don't know about Irish weather - I'm in California USA, but we do get hard rain...) alternative: exterior/outdoor use latex water based house paint, flat finish. For Christmas, I've found I can get by with red, green, blue, yellow, black and white, so it's not that expensive - they also get a lot of white snow this time of year. You should find it is far more resilient than Crayola tempera. I get an inexpensive base, and select really bright indoor kiddies room type pigments - I've found I can get the pigments for the more expensive paints mixed into the less expensive base. I put down a good primer coat of white, let it dry and then paint the colors on top, and it works great. It doesn't re-liquify and pull up on your roller or brush nearly as fast as tempera does, so it's easier to work with. It can be removed easily by misting it with water and using a razor blade scraper. Also, I don't know if you have access to Aqua Net hair spray, but if you do, it is formulated to hold hair stiff (lovely) in humid conditions, and it makes a great clear coating for additional water resistance. Regarding the Daler-Rowney acrylics, I don't know but I would think that would be really expensive. How's window painting in Ireland, anyway?
Kimberley
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| in general Posted on Wednesday, February 15, 2006 @ 2:32:44 AM | I've been painting windows (and signs) for over ten years and have never used tempera paints. Nor have I done any Christmas displays. Strictly lettering - but what I DO is visual merchandising. This is the way to add value to your work, and get beyond the 'decorative' to the marketing, where the perceived value is higher. Be sure to have a detailed invoice form so you won't have to worry about those little 'add-ons' that are assumed to be part of the job! I always recommend using at least a semi-gloss paint over a base coat, flat colors have poor adhesion and will surely peel if used directly.
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| Re: Window Painting Story Posted on Sunday, March 19, 2006 @ 4:55:24 PM | I have a job that requires me to paint windows and advertize certain products. I'm thinking of starting up my own business. I just need to know how to go about it.
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| Re: Window Painting Story Posted on Thursday, April 06, 2006 @ 2:44:47 PM | Putting down a white primer (exterior flat latex house paint)base coat makes a real difference. A strong (1/4 - 1/2 inch) black outline really helps give your design an extra punch. Get your paint at the hardware store - a cheap flat exterior latex house paint base with the really bright kiddie room pigments mixed into it (the hardware store will mix any pigment into any base). It won't come off in the rain and it stays bright longer than "art" paints. It comes off with a water spritzing and a razor scraper. Get a lot of those little foam rollers and plastic paint trays. Take pictures of everything. Don't be too picky - it's a window splash and it needs to look good from a passing car. Decide what you need to make an hour, figure out how long the job will take you, add at least another hour because you are going to underestimate like crazy at first, and add $10.00 (at least)for supplies to every job ($20/hr x 4 hrs (you think)+ 1hr ('cause you're wrong) + $10 = $110 for a 2 window store front kind of job - the numbers will vary for you, but you get the idea. Hint - I have never had a customer decline because it was too expensive. Go out cold-calling in paint splattered clothes with your portfolio and your supplies in the car ready to paint, walk in, show them your book, and tell them you will paint their window right now for (your price here). This works like magic a month before a major holiday. Also, it doesn't hurt to learn how to do other kinds of signs, because your customers will frequently ask you and you do not want to take it on if you don't know what you are doing, or especially if you think you can fake it - that has rules and techniques, it takes real work, like going to school for a couple of years, but it's worth it. Do a search on Sign Graphics classes.
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| Spread (and multiply) the wealth Posted on Monday, July 03, 2006 @ 12:46:55 AM | My gratitude goes out to the COOL artists who are willing to share tips and advice. I have found that where there are window paintings, businesses want MORE window paintings. Competition helps everyone!
I am starting a yahoo group so we can share anecdotes and advice. email me, Denise
dmnyland@hotmail.com
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| Re: Window Painting Story Posted on Tuesday, July 11, 2006 @ 5:19:55 AM | Hi. I am Denise. Website: www.hollyberry.lyndelo.com
I use a cheap white latex primer with white pigment added, (house paint). I use craft acrylics on top of the primer. I don't take jobs where the windows are constantly subjected to harsh weather (rain). I lightly roll on the whith primer and on humid days, I use a hair dryer to dry it quickly so I can put on the next layer. Please tell me anything you can about painting in Ireland. Denise
dmnyland@hotmail.com
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| Brand New to Store Front Window Painting Posted on Saturday, July 22, 2006 @ 3:35:45 AM | Hi, I'm so glad I found this site! Lots of great info here. I have been asked to quote and hopefully to pain a consignment furniture storefront that has 8 windows and glass doors. The design is fairly simple, topiary's in terracotta pots and some simple pedestals and faux swag window treatments. I was happy to see that many of you use latex flat paint as a base, I'm just wondering if I should use latex house paint for the entire design for work that is at least semi-permenant (as in they probably won't change it anytime soon) and where there is not a large "base" in the design that I can undercoat with the white latex paint? I think they are going to want at least the basic design to show through on the inside (I'm thinking I'll paint on the outside, there's an extended roof overhang over the windows). I want to keep this a simple as possible, by using the right kind of paint that will stand up to weather and not require extra coats. Any suggestions? THANKS!!
Dianne
dianneph@bellsouth.net
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| Re: Brand New to Store Front Window Painting Posted on Tuesday, July 25, 2006 @ 2:58:41 AM | hi dianne, this is Toby from NC. paintings on windows always show up best when painted on the outside!
when a mural is painted on the inside, you get horrible glare from the sun during the day, and from headlights at night. i have been painting murals on walls and windows for about 10 years now, but learned most of what i know from pro's. i hope to create a webpage where ppl can show their pics and pointers too. i just talked to one of the ladies that started this seemingly only site on the web today and wished there were more. if u would like some great tips, u can call me at 1-828-221-0751.
here is hoping that all goes very well with your window painting!
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| Help... need to find Pro Art Artworks Temperas Posted on Saturday, September 16, 2006 @ 4:07:03 PM | Hi,
I've been reading all your wonderful information on painting holiday windows. You recommended to use the Pro Art ARtworks temperas. Well luck would have it that my local grocery store carries it, However they are out of a certain color and I would like to locate some more. I've been searching the internet all night long and have only found one place out of canada. Does anyone know of anywhere in the US to get it and where??? addies would be greatly appreciated. Thanks....Signed all out of paint
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| Re: Help... need to find Pro Art Artworks Temperas Posted on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 @ 5:33:43 AM | Hey, I work at an art supply store in Oregon and was doing some research on window painting when I saw your message. ProARt Tempera Paints are made by C2F and can only be ordered wholesale. I can order any color of ProArt Tempera paints for you if you like. It looks like they come in sizes 2oz-1 gallon. We do free shipping if you order $60 worth of supplies. Give me a call if you are interested. My name is Sally. (866)472-1684 www.merriartist.com
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| Re: Brand New to Store Front Window Painting Posted on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 @ 12:25:27 PM | I would love to paint on the outside- however this is Northern Minnesota and it's only 25 degrees. Thanks to all for all the great tips. I'm a mural and scenery painter just commisioned for my first window...so I practiced on an old storm window-looked and worked great. Actual business window started flaking terribly! I'm going to try ammonia and hairspray tomorrow. don't have time to order the Jazz stuff. Any other tips?
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| Northern windows Posted on Wednesday, November 01, 2006 @ 12:29:14 PM | Mural and scenery painter just commissioned for a holiday window. They want it viewable to inside and out. Being Northern Minnesoata (25 degrees already-snow) I have to paint on the inside. Practiced on storm window- turned out fine with good temperas and acrylics for detail. Actual window is flaking!Tomorrow I'll try the tips of ammonia and hairspray- our local store can get the Jazz stuff but it takes two weeks. Any other suggestions? Thanks for all the tips!
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| Re: Northern windows Posted on Saturday, November 04, 2006 @ 1:16:36 PM | hi cal is the name.try painting the hole serface with cleer acrilic it will act as a cleen serface that any paint will bond to/and seal the .what seems to be a slick area were the flaking is shut 46 window painter from nyc
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| Actylics ok? Posted on Sunday, November 12, 2006 @ 6:37:05 AM | I want to start window painting and I just wanted to know if those craft paints you can get for .50-$1 are good to use? i know I have gotten some on a clear plastic drinking cup that I wash and use all the time and it hasn't come off yet. Do you think they would be ok to use outside too?
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| That was supposed to say "Acryclics OK"? Posted on Sunday, November 12, 2006 @ 6:39:39 AM | The previous question referring to .50-$1 paints was supposed to ask "Acrylics OK"?
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| Re: Window Painting Story Posted on Sunday, November 12, 2006 @ 6:47:57 AM | How do you mean you use craft acrylics over the primer? Do you paint on the inside of the store and paint backwars so they are facing outwards correctly? Or do you pint on the outside only using the primer and craft paints? And if you paint on top of the the latex primer do you paint the silhuoette of your pattern of your design then paint your design in craft paint on top? I appologize for this sounding like a rambling question but, I am really curious as to how you make it work.
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| Re: Actylics ok? Posted on Monday, November 13, 2006 @ 9:25:36 AM | Hi! My name is Samantha I have been painting windows in the Atlanta area for about 12 years and I use latex satin or semi gloss house paint for snow and anything else that's white applied with a roller or brush, I tried getting the same latex house paint in green & red Etc. but was not happy with the look. I have always used acrylic and it works great!!!! I tried tempera once but it looked chalky and dull so i scraped it off and now I stick with the acrylic. You can usually find them on sale! It will come off if it gets wet before it's dry but dries pretty quickly at least here.
Easy clean up too!!!
Good Luck!!! Sam
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| Re: Actylics ok? Posted on Friday, November 17, 2006 @ 1:23:36 AM | Hey Sam! Thanks for the info. I am in Montgomery, AL only about 3 hours form you. Do the craft acrylics I was mentioning hold up pretty well in rainy weather once it is dried or do I need to put some acrylic seal on it. Also, I am new to the biz, what do you charge?-Lee
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| Re: Window Painting Story Posted on Monday, November 27, 2006 @ 10:36:19 PM | I have been painting the windows of my home for four years now and thinking of going into business. Are you painting windows in Ireland now? What type of paints are you using at the moment. Do you paint on the inside or outside?
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| Just Starting Out Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 @ 8:08:38 AM | I just want to say this is a great web site and nice to see people sharing info so readily. I have only painted windows once before with powder tempra which was really hard to work with. I have experimented with the liquid tempras that are sold in my area and have found Elmers to be an O.K. brand just and little see thru so I have added about 40% Americana acrylic to the tempra and have found it to cover better and dry quicker. I'm just wondering if mixing the two paints might cause them to flake or crack as I've heard happens when you mix brands? How long does it take before paint starts to crack or flake? I would appreciate any advice. I have also been using a permenate "sharpie" to out line my subject, it has always come off the windows, is there any thing else I might use for outlining that dries fast so I don't have to wait be fore applying the paint.
Thanks!
Staar
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| Re: Help... need to find Pro Art Artworks Temperas Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 @ 8:52:57 AM | I am from Canada and can only find Pro Art paints on the net from the U.S.A., if you don't mind, could you tell what company in Canada has Pro Art?
Thanks,
Staar
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| Re: Actylics ok? Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 @ 8:53:29 AM | I have never used sealer and have only had 2 windows wash off in over 10 years one was exposed and got rained on before the paint was dry...the other was dry but we had some really bad storms 2 yrs ago and it damaged the paint on one of my clients windows which have no overhang...I would probaly test sealer at home and use it if ya'll get bad storms on exposed windows but I've never had to use although I probably should on that one client as I do theirs every year....It's only been messed up once though normal rain doesn't hurt if paint is dry. Not painting right now cause of RAIN!!!! Sam
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| Painting flowing Ribbons ( help) Posted on Saturday, December 02, 2006 @ 2:18:50 AM | Hi, I just started painting windows and I love it, But I I have my second window painting job at someones house on monday..
I want to paint doves with flowing
red ribbon.. when I paint the ribbon you can see the
streaks.. I tryed using a 2" foam brush.. as well as other brushes. The paint I use is craft acrylic red should I use latex water base indoor and outdoor will this work.. Im painting the window from outside..
Help thanks .. Adele
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| Re: Just Starting Out Posted on Saturday, December 02, 2006 @ 10:13:40 AM | I use latex house for snow and craft acrylic for everything else and have never had flakes it's very easy to use. The best thing to draw with is a pencil made by
STABILO the # on it is 8052 on the other side it says
.PAPER.GLASS.PLASTIC.METAL AQUARELLABLE
I am in Atlanta GA and get them at Dick Blick or Pearl Art Store learned about them about 9 yrs ago never needed anything else can paint over the lines or wipe off with paper towel. Good Luck!!!
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| Newbies: How to get your act together - for window painting!! Posted on Thursday, December 07, 2006 @ 5:04:56 AM | Hi,
I've been painting windows for almost 20 years in both Washington and Oregon. I started out doing it all wrong but still managed to make money!! How lucky is that? Hahah
Anyway I buy flat and glossy latex house paint. Usually just the primary colors and then mix them as needed. I lay down a flat white image of whatever I'm painting first. Then go in and paint in lines. I add color next and then over all highlights, accents, etc last.
I use various sized brushes,from tiny detail to 3" ones; various sized rollers and foam brushes as needed. I do most of my work with the roller however from appying large areas of color to drawing with the roller by using the edges of it.
I don't buy expensive brushes but go to a craft stores such as Michaels and buy 12 packs of nylon brushes that come in various sizes. The nylon doesn't leave bristles behind and lasts alot longer than the real el' cheapo brushes do. I buy new brushes whenever possible during the year, especially if they are on sale, but actually only new to change them out about every other year. But I like to keep extra brushes, roller, etc on hand for those times when you really need a better one for the job.
Always clean and take care of your brushes!!
I have clients that I've had for years and generally pick up new ones along the way.
My paper work is easy to read and understand and as I design it my self. I always include a sample piece of art on the flyers, leave cleaning instructions on the reciepts and have mural contracts ready if I need to conduct new business when I'm out and about.
In the twenty years I've done this I've met thousands of great people and brought a lot of fun and excitment to all my clients along with the art work it's self. It's been joyful, exciting and profitable to me as well.
Never let your client down even if it means taking a hit financially, so always be clear and honest about what you can do and can't do and hopefully this won't happen. Your credibility will stand if you are honest at all times. I have gained new clients because the peticular artist who did the past work made a lot of promises and never kept them or did shoddy work.
If you want your biz to grow and prosper do the right thing everytime and you'll gain respect and flourish!
Keep good books. Keep track of all your clients and what you charged them.
Set a minimum rate for each job.
Have a disclaimer in your reciept and contracts that show what you ARE NOT LIBEL FOR. Examples: window possibly cracking due to weather and paint extremes, cleaning process by others,knowing city laws pertaining to any type art work or signs, etc.
Be good at sizing up businesses that might lead to potential work. Leave flyers, business card, whatever. Follow up ALWAYS! Look for ways to learn and also utilize the skills you have. Be friendly, polite and always as good as your word.
Teach others and by doing that you gain satisfaction and joy from realizing how much you know and are learning!!
Don't be afraid to charge a fair amount for your work. In my experience if you sell your work to cheaply it will be hard to raise the price when you've gained more time and experience. Decide what your work is worth. Talk to other artists in your area who are willing to talk about their rates. If you are uncut on a job by another artist, suck it up and go find another job. Remember just because someone else if willing to do the work for less money doesn't mean your art isn't good. Stick to what you are worth. I change my prices often. This depends on the customer, work, area and many things. Understanding when to raise or lower a job bid will come with experience and you will be good at estimateing that eventually.
For example, I took on a job that another artist failed to follow up on and heard about this third hand. Not knowing what the bid was for the job (a large furniture store with 12 lg windows and tons of lettering) I just continued to discuss the project with the customer and her assistants. Eventually the first bid was mentioned and they asked me if I could it for that. I said yes, because this rate was actually better than what I would have asked for my work and they already expressed their excitment and willingness to pay that amount to the first artist anyway.
So don't be to hasty in bidding large jobs because you might short change yourself!
I hope this helps!!
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| Re: Newbies: How to get your act together - for window painting!! Posted on Thursday, December 07, 2006 @ 9:45:35 AM | Thanks for the info.. do you have your art work posted
on this site.. if so I would love to see it.. : )
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| Re: Newbies: How to get your act together - for window painting!! Posted on Tuesday, December 12, 2006 @ 7:11:44 AM | Thanks for the insights, I appreciate all the help I can get. I painted christmas windows this season, I painted from the inside with craft acrylics and tempra. I like the results I got. All the christmas windows in this area have been painted from the inside, does anyone paint christmas windows from the outside? And what would be the advantage? I had a client ask about painting something permenant on the outside, on her storefront window, she has alot of vandals from the nightclub just down the street, wouldn't latex paint be damaged on the outside if someone decided to scrape it? How does the sun effect the house paint, does it fade from the sunlight? Besides the seasonal windows and the odd advertisements, what other applications does window painting have? Especially in a small community where I'm just starting out but there is already an established window painter, I had thought that maybe real estate agency might be able to use a window painter for vacant commercial buildings they are trying to lease? Anyway I would really like to be able to do window painting year round and would like to work on learning how to letter more effectively, I found it to be very time consuming and a little difficult. I am a sign painter and have hand lettered quite a few signs but a piece of wood is easier than an upright pane of glass. Any advice is greatly appreicated for this greenhorn!
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| Re: Actylics ok? Posted on Friday, February 02, 2007 @ 5:53:13 PM | Try Ronan brand water based acrylics, they are much better quality. I still use tempera when it is short term and well protected. I also found adding 3 oz or so of white tint to acrylic house paint makes a diiference in opacity.
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| white streaks on my window painting Posted on Thursday, May 31, 2007 @ 7:48:52 AM | I recently painted a painting on a RV window and the owner has just informed me there are white streaks on it. I primed it, used acrylic paints and polyurethane. Where did I go wrong???? Has this happened to anyone? Any recommendations.
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| Re: white streaks on my window painting Posted on Thursday, June 07, 2007 @ 1:39:17 PM | I think it's the polyurethane. What was that for? If it's hot outside, it dries too fast, and it will dry along the brush strokes. The parts that dry first will turn white.
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| Re: Newbies: How to get your act together - for window painting!! Posted on Thursday, August 30, 2007 @ 10:39:15 PM | I just found this site a couple of weeks ago, but I have learned SO much. Thanks for the advice you have put out there, especially about the liability end of the business. Not only do I want to please the customers, I also want to be protected against someone else's damage to my work. I have not actively pursued the business yet (I'm a little scared), but the more I read on this site, the more confidence I get!
Sharon
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| Re: Newbies: How to get your act together - for window painting!! Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2007 @ 12:07:41 AM | I have been painting windows for over 20 years... For permanent signage, I like the 'One Shot' paints - they will endure all weather, tough as nails once it's dried, rich colors, and very shiny. They are a rather expensive oil-based paint but worth it!
I use One Shot on my holiday window painting...does anyone else?
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| New to the area Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2007 @ 12:11:34 AM | I've been doing Christmas window painting for over 20 years (on and off) and am new to the Atlanta area...
Will a few of you share what you are charging so that I'll know I'm in the typical range for this area?
Much appreciated.
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| Re: Window Painting Story Posted on Friday, September 14, 2007 @ 7:06:47 AM | Delightful story...thank you for sharing!
A fun moment in my window painting career: I had already painted several windows in a downtown area for Christmas when a woman approched...
She said that her little girl spotted me as they were coming up the sidewalk and blurted "look, there's Christine!" She recognized my work from other windows, wants to be an artist someday and wanted to meet me and ask some questions. I experienced just a touch of what it may be like for movie star!
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| Re: Just Starting Out Posted on Friday, September 14, 2007 @ 7:18:29 AM | For outlining, I use the paint and a pinstriping brush.
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| Re: Newbies: How to get your act together - for window painting!! Posted on Thursday, September 27, 2007 @ 9:43:54 AM | Thanks for the tips. Recently a friend aquired a new job at a store and asked the cost of apinting words on the storefront window. When I was in highschool, stores commisioned my art class to paint murals on the windows during the holidays. It wasn't cheap either. I have no idea though, what to charge for words.
Any advice will be appreciated.
Tracey.
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| Re: Newbies: How to get your act together - for window painting!! Posted on Tuesday, October 09, 2007 @ 6:13:48 AM | Hey there; you seasoned window atrist from the North-West.
Your info was right on. I've been painting for over 40 years. I'm sort of retired, since my age is over 60. You have some tips I haven't tought of and your generousity is equal to mine. I believe it is our obligation to keep young artist out there using thier God given talent to share with others.
My motto is " It's my job to create smiles on many faces". I started painting "Christmas cheer" on a toy store in Monrovia Ca. when I was 16 years old. Never thought I'd make a living out of it; I just loved creating joyful sceans for the Holidays. I found it difficult to paint an image 10 times larger that the one I was working from. Now, after 40 years of painting, it comes as easily as breathing. There is a lot to say for experience.
Over the many years, I have experienced the "rock star" feeling. I was known by nerely every one in my town and beyond, dew to so many news paper articles done on me over so many years. Couldn't go shopping with out getting knowticed. Now, retired, I find I miss it a little. I don't miss the work; finally got burnt out. However I would love to creat an instructional book and DVD that could be available to High Schools so thier art students could learn from my many years of experience, visually. I have, on many occations, taught at the local scools and found that 65% or more of the students were like sponges. Some wanted to know the business part of my work. (That was the hard part of what I did.)
I don't exactly know how to make a DVD but it would be nice to assist Schools to find a way to make money for the Art Department, or thier Art clubs. There is too little attention paid to the Arts. It is far more important in the schools than "the powers that be" realize.
Anyway, I loved your story and would like to email you. My addess is: www.wallsbysusan@yahoo.com I'll share with anyone else too.
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| Re: Just Starting Out Posted on Saturday, October 13, 2007 @ 4:14:56 AM | I am in Alpharetta GA and would like my windows painted plses call me Mondana at Kobra Spa 700-343-9655
Thank you
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| Another newby! Posted on Tuesday, October 23, 2007 @ 3:23:12 PM | 1) Any window airbrushers out there? I'm debating trying acrylic art spray paints.
2) I tried painting acrylic over latex, indoors. The latex began peeling up tho, making streaks.
3) Guessing this is typical in this biz??? : - I'm painting on the window's exterior, but when I paint a layer of white down to help the colors show up on dark winter evenings, you wont see much from the inside.
Thank Q, people! This is a great website.
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| HOLIDAY WINDOWS Posted on Wednesday, October 24, 2007 @ 1:11:02 PM | Samantha I use nothing but one shot for my Holy Days Windows. How did that bcome Holidays anywho? It's actually Christ Mass not Christmas but I can live with Christmas but not x-mas. I will never put an X in place of my Saviors name,CHRIST !
HAPPY HOLY DAYS ! and may GOD BLESS you and those you love !
Gregory Robertson - Newnan, Georgia
scotsman44m@msn.com
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